15). 07:49AM @j2111: It's a twitter post by Kieron Gillen look it up yourself. Timaeus describes the Demiurge as unreservedly benevolent, and so it desires a world as good as possible. Loki literally says "you're gonna rewrite the laws of magic across all realities". Acts as a safeguard while the Scarlet Witch and Doom try to access the Earth's Life Force, which is what gave HoM Wanda her powers. But until proven otherwise he isn't. Billy explained to the woman what had happened and was shocked to see the woman was none other than Scarlet Witch. The dyad is energeia emanated by the one that is then the work, process or activity called nous, Demiurge, mind, consciousness that organizes the indeterminate vitality into the experience called the material world, universe, cosmos. So youre attempts to try and debunk his multiversal status arent gonna work. Later, Billy and Teddy joined the rest of their team, and helped the Avengers save what was left of Asgard. As the Demiurge, Wiccan completely eradicated Mother and every threat she had created in Young Avengers #13 by Kieron Gillen and Jamie McKelvie. William "Billy" Kaplan, Wiccan. Having no other choice, Wiccan and the team decide to leave New York. In one of the many dark possible futures shown to Immortus by The Time Keepers; William and Thomas had become tyrannical God-like superhumans who were seen launching a devastating assault on Eternity in an attempt to overthrow him. Under the name of Nebro (rebel), Yaldabaoth is called an angel in the apocryphal Gospel of Judas. Although a fashioner, the demiurge is not necessarily the same as the creator figure in the monotheistic sense, because the demiurge itself and the material from which the demiurge fashions the universe are both considered consequences of something else. People need to get over the fact that they potrayed it as him standing on the comic panels. Plotinus argues of the disconnect or great barrier that is created between the nous or mind's noumenon (see Heraclitus) and the material world (phenomenon) by believing the material world is evil. Demiurge Wiccan has more impressive feats. All those statements are never verified when they were not outright contradicted or retconned. Wiccan appears in 645 issues. Wiccan hoped that revealing their existence to Wanda would help her regain her sanity and return to the Avengers. Of course, their threats were played off and ignored. He seems to also ignore chanting spells when he's angry or extremely emotional. Dice of the Skrull Kill Krew does the same and he is by all accounts not even particularly powerful. Vision confirmed the story of the twins. [32][33], "Samael" literally means "Blind God" or "God of the Blind" in Hebrew (.mw-parser-output .script-hebrew,.mw-parser-output .script-Hebr{font-family:"SBL Hebrew","SBL BibLit","Taamey Ashkenaz","Taamey Frank CLM","Frank Ruehl CLM","Ezra SIL","Ezra SIL SR","Keter Aram Tsova","Taamey David CLM","Keter YG","Shofar","David CLM","Hadasim CLM","Simple CLM","Nachlieli",Cardo,Alef,"Noto Serif Hebrew","Noto Sans Hebrew","David Libre",David,"Times New Roman",Gisha,Arial,FreeSerif,FreeSans}). 3. It has been demonstrated that without the ability to hear his own words, the spell cannot be cast, though other uses of his powers have been done seemingly effortlessly and without words. The former was dkaios, severely just, the latter agaths, or loving-kind; the former was the "god of this world",[41] the God of the Old Testament, the latter the true God of the New Testament. You just said yourself the universe he destroyed was fixed by time travel, so not beyond time or reality or time travel would not affect it. Wiccan was greatly convinced that their connection to the Scarlet Witch was evident, though Tommy was more skeptical. He should win here. For other uses, see. Wiccan (Character) - Comic Vine William "Billy" Kaplan, also known as Wiccan, is a human mutant and magician. Unkindness wins. Wiccan and the Young Avengers fought alongside the New Avengers to end the conflict. A partially powered Demiurge (aka the Semiurge) holds off Mother's attacks, Fully turns into the Demiurge through the power of love. He is a reality warper, according to Loki. Plotinus also elucidates the equation of matter with nothing or non-being in The Enneads[9] which more correctly is to express the concept of idealism or that there is not anything or anywhere outside of the "mind" or nous (c.f. He even held the comic panels in his hands and manipulated what was going to happen in then for gods sakes Im pretty sure he takes this. Depending on the system, they may be considered either uncreated and eternal or the product of some other entity. As Wiccan, he joined the Young Avengers and learned he was the reincarnated son of Scarlet Witch and Vision. All traits of a character are used for calculating the Classification. Youre trying to use something that yet to be finished or explained. In Middle Platonist and Numenius's Neo-Pythagorean cosmogenies, the Demiurge is second God as the nous or thought of intelligibles and sensibles[4] (Middle Platonism and Neo-Pythagoreanism overlapped: both originating in the early 1st century BC and extending through to the end of the 2nd century AD or even into the 3rd century). [27], He is Demiurge and maker of man, but as a ray of light from above enters the body of man and gives him a soul, Yaldabaoth is filled with envy; he tries to limit man's knowledge by forbidding him the fruit of knowledge in paradise. For more information, please see our The true believer in Christ entered into God's kingdom, the unbeliever remained forever the slave of the Demiurge.[28]. Forcibly teleports Loki to the Young Avengers, Teleports a car in front of an asteroid so it crashes, Transports Hulkling's "mom" to the 616 from a completely different universe, Locates Bucky Barnes and teleports his teammates to him, Teleports people in close proximity to him. I made The respect threads , and I'm telling you the unkindness is a problem. . Not even remotely. 09:51 Andrew Stets ft. Soncesvit - Gutsul. [28][42] And as Achamoth herself was only the daughter of Sopha the last of the thirty Aeons, the Demiurge was distant by many emanations from the Propatr, or Supreme God. Transforms himself into the Scarlet Witch, Conjures up clothes in order to look like a prison guard, Gives Kid Loki a teenage body, making Loki even stronger, Undoes the Enchantress' transformation spell. [13] Around the time the two boys are physically 10, they begin to display superpowers, with Tommy having inherited his uncle Pietro's super speed and Billy displaying magical powers similar to the ones used by his mother. Respect Wiccan (Marvel, 616) : r/respectthreads - reddit 1). writes, "There is a direct link between ancient Gnosticism and Catharism. Team Affiliations: Young Avengers, New Avengers/AIM (soon). Wiccan was created by Allan Heinberg and Jim Cheung. "For, in sum, a part of their doctrine comes from Plato; all the novelties through which they seek to establish a philosophy of their own have been picked up outside of the truth." Cookie Notice To Plotinus, the second emanation represents an uncreated second cause (see Pythagoras' Dyad). Theyre was never a recton that changed how the utopian parallel was created cause according to these recent America comics which still say and show that the demiurge I.e William Kaplan (Wiccan). Turner, "Gnosticism and Platonism", in Wallis & Bregman. The Demiurge, isolated, did not behold his mother, nor anyone else, and concluded that only he existed, ignorant of the superior levels of reality. and our The Young Avengers decide to give the newbies a chance, and announce that they will host try-outs, where each Lite member will be teamed up with one or more Young Avengers. Demiurge Prime Marvel Universe (Earth-616) Others Others Billy Kaplan Moridun Year 20XX destroyed by Moridun (Earth-16364) Categories Categories: Disambiguation Pages Community content is available under CC-BY-SA unless otherwise noted. Billy and Teddy had been helping out when they came across an Asgardian temple being desecrated and pillaged by the Wrecking Crew. When Billy leaves the team, Sunspot gifts him a NYC penthouse for he and Hulking to retire to. In order to test if his feelings are genuine, the two agree to temporarily break up. It was here that Billy revealed to Teddy that Norse myths have always had a special meaning for him because his father used to read them to him at night. The Young Avengers are seen fighting a terrorist group called the Sons if the Serpent. Wiccan (real name William "Billy" Kaplan) is a comic book character, a member of the Young Avengers, a team of teenage superheroes in the Marvel Universe. 13:29 CJ Mars - K.D.D. She and Cassie also convinced Billy to change his alias from "Asgardian" to "Wiccan" in acknowledgment of his new powers (and due to "Asgardian" being exploitable by the media in relation to Billy's sexuality and relationship with Hulkling). Demiurge | Marvel Database | Fandom When Norman Osborn invaded Asgard with his army of superpowered beings and H.A.M.M.E.R. [49] In the ninth tractate of the second of his Enneads, Plotinus criticizes his opponents for their appropriation of ideas from Plato: From Plato come their punishments, their rivers of the underworld and the changing from body to body; as for the plurality they assert in the Intellectual Realmthe Authentic Existent, the Intellectual-Principle, the Second Creator and the Soulall this is taken over from the Timaeus. He is an archon with the face of a lion, half flame, and half darkness. Billy and Teddy began to battle the Wrecking Crew, warning them against disgracing this sacred space. Armstrong alluding to Gnosticism being a Hellenic philosophical heresy of sorts, which later engaged Christianity and Neoplatonism.[53][54]. Billy was impressed with the magical capabilities of Sylvie Lushton, aka Enchantress. hansfenton123 [18] So Irenaeus tells[19] of the system of Simon Magus,[20] of the system of Menander,[21] of the system of Saturninus, in which the number of these angels is reckoned as seven, and[22] of the system of Carpocrates. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. The Neoplatonic philosopher Plotinus addressed within his works Gnosticism's conception of the Demiurge, which he saw as un-Hellenic and blasphemous to the Demiurge or creator of Plato. Meaning as he stands now his best feat is destroying a universe in 20 years despite being bloodlusted. Meaning his feats are still the destruction of mother, the destruction of a universe over the course of 20 years and useless hype statements that everyone here has, @killianduclark: agreed. The philosophical usage and the proper noun derive from Plato's Timaeus, written c.360 BC, where the demiurge is presented as the creator of the universe. He is first mentioned in "The Cosmos, Chaos, and the Underworld" as one of the twelve angels to come "into being [to] rule over chaos and the [underworld]". The Latin translation, confirmed by Hippolytus of Rome,[24] makes Irenaeus state that according to Cerinthus (who shows Ebionite influence), creation was made by a power quite separate from the Supreme God and ignorant of him. Scarlet Witch's Son Is More Powerful Than Dormammu, Marvel - ScreenRant During their time traveling through dimensions, Hulkling becomes worried that Wiccan's powers might be responsible for their relationship, a theory proposed by Loki. William was believed to be Malachi, who attacked the Avengers during the Crossing story arc. The Super-Skrull noted that Wiccan seemed to have inherited the Scarlet Witch's magical and reality-warping abilities while Tommy has those of her twin brother, Quicksilver. Sylvie revealed to them that she was not actually from Asgard, but that she woke up one morning with powers. We dont know if shes telling the truth, so as of now its HAS NOT BEEN recton cause the story hasnt even given a chance to prove if shes telling the truth in the first place. It's not fair. Iron Lad had found Teddy Altman (Hulkling), Elijah Bradley (Patriot) and now Billy Kaplan (as "Asgardian") who all three agreed to help him, despite their lack of experience. The Valentinian theory elaborates that from Achamoth (he kt sopha or lower wisdom) three kinds of substance take their origin, the spiritual (pneumatiko), the animal (psychiko) and the material (hyliko). Shocked and afraid at what he had done, Billy ran back to the Avengers Mansion to talk with the Scarlet Witch but she was nowhere to be found. None of which are multivetsal. like very very gay He did not do it and he will not do it, because then marvel would have to come up with actual laws for their magic and how does that apply to combat in the first place? Of note here is the remark concerning the second hypostasis or Creator and third hypostasis or World Soul. And he is impious in his arrogance which is in him. In the Archontic, Sethian, and Ophite systems, which have many affinities with the doctrine of Valentinus, the making of the world is ascribed to a company of seven archons, whose names are given, but still more prominent is their chief, "Yaldabaoth" (also known as "Yaltabaoth" or "Ialdabaoth"). In others, including the teaching of Valentinus, the demiurge is simply ignorant or misguided. The word dmiurgos properly describes his relation to the material; he is the father of that which is animal like himself.[15]. Character The second principle is organization in its reflection of the nonsentient force or dynamis, also called the one or the Monad. Soncesvit - Bulawa (Aerofoil Remix) 25:59 The Faino - Arkan He briefly achieves this form, and is able to view the past, present and future, as well as freely alter the universe. My guyThat scan literally from said comic book run America:Made in the USA (2021) provided nothing of the sort to prove that the utopian parallel was recton at least not yet. and apparently if he can't hear himself chanting the spell, it won't cast. This edit will also create new pages on Comic Vine for: Until you earn 1000 points all your submissions need to be vetted by other As a Kree, Hulkling was to be enlisted in the Kree army, by force if necessary. Later, the Neoplatonist Iamblichus changed the role of the "One", effectively altering the role of the Demiurge as second cause or dyad, which was one of the reasons that Iamblichus and his teacher Porphyry came into conflict. Christ, in reality, is the Son of the Good God. Coat of Arms refused to leave her team, but Enchantress graciously accepted. Outside, Magneto arrives, saying that he wants Billy help to locate his daughter. Once Scarlet Witch had heard the full story of his troubles at school, she told him that next time he was threatened the best thing to do would be to stand up to Kessler. This vilification of the creator was held to be inimical to Christianity by the early fathers of the church. During her marriage to the Vision, the Scarlet Witch used her reality-altering powers to create twin boys Willaim and . Billy experiments with some names, adopting the name Demiurge, but later reverts back to Wiccan. @demiurgekaplan: the entirety of multiversal demi urges feats come from statements about creating the utopia parallel. Wiccan is a playable character in the MMO game, Wiccan appears as a playable character in. Thomas ended up as the son of the Shepard family while William ended up as the son of the Kaplan's family. Are they confirmed it or hinted about it? In the "Battle of the Atom" X-Men crossover event, Billy Kaplan is one of the future X-Men, alongside a Phoenix-powered Quentin Quire, Jubilee (who goes by the codename "Wolverine"), Kymera, Shogo Lee, and Sir Robert (Bobby Drake). Of the entire team of YA Lite, only Enchantress and Coat of Arms (who had been tested by her old acquaintance, Tommy, aka Speed) were asked to join the Young Avengers. 1012). Teleports an entire prisoner van to a secure SHIELD location. [40], According to Marcion, the title God was given to the Demiurge, who was to be sharply distinguished from the higher Good God. Thats a cute post though. This_Confused_Guy 1 yr. ago He is currently engaged to Teddy Altman, aka Hulkling. Superhero Class. Completely knocks out the Wrecking Crew. Emil Cioran also wrote his Le mauvais dmiurge ("The Evil Demiurge"), published in 1969, influenced by Gnosticism and Schopenhauerian interpretation of Platonic ontology, as well as that of Plotinus. Quispel, Gilles and Van Oort, Johannes (2008), p. 143. He also is vitally important in Avengers: Children's Crusade (which is more or less an unofficial volume of . A massive spell cast by Billy brought in evil clones of the Young Avengers that distracted Mother and allowed their remaining teammates and the rest of the team to escape again, but Mother added the clones to her army.Wiccan quit the Young Avengers after that, convinced, through a manipulative suggestion of Loki's, that Wiccan and Hulkling were The work of Plotinus and other later Platonists in the 3rd century AD to further clarify the Demiurge is known as Neoplatonism. He called a large meeting, inviting everyone who'd ever held Avengers membership to join him in the Tower. Someone on the team (which shall be referred to from hereon out as the Young Masters) contacted Norman Osborn, aka Iron Patriot - America's 'Top Cop' and the leader of H.A.M.M.E.R. According to some strains of Gnosticism, the demiurge is malevolent, as it is linked to the material world. The etymology of the name Yaldabaoth has been subject to many speculative theories. The Wiccan and Hulkling of Earth-616 didn't approve of this, and later Wiccan and Hulkling from Earth-721 was sent home. Like many other heroes, Wiccan and the Young Avengers were granted amnesty following the conclusion of Civil War. Unhappy about this, Billy uses a location spell to find the team, and the real Young Avengers confront the false ones. The "One" is further separated into spheres of intelligence; the first and superior sphere is objects of thought, while the latter sphere is the domain of thought. Instead, the Young Avengers continued to function as a team, now using Kate Bishop's resources to support them. The two work out their problems, and their love is able to save the universe. [28][43] In this most common form of Gnosticism the Demiurge had an inferior though not intrinsically evil function in the universe as the head of the animal, or psychic world. Billy Kaplan on Tumblr - #wiccan pantheism). I want to know about that, Who would win between this wiccan and Mr Mxyzptlk cause raven is more powerful than him and Perpetua. It was originally a common noun meaning "craftsman" or "artisan", but gradually came to mean "producer", and eventually "creator". When his powers first manifested, he nearly killed someone. New Music Friday: The best releases out on March 3 : All Songs Considered The best albums out this week include Kali Uchis' Red Moon in Venus, a self-titled joint from the Jamaican American artist . Tanks eye beams from Sentry, and comes out unscathed. The true doctrine of Soul (ch. T. The false other-worldliness of the Gnostics leads to immorality (ch. During this time, Billy attempted to tell his parents that he was a superhero, only to accidentally come out to them. [10] In this, he claimed to reveal Plato's true meaning: a doctrine he learned from Platonic tradition that did not appear outside the academy or in Plato's text. Teleports an entire prisoner van to a secure SHIELD location. ToyBiz produced a figure of Wiccan for the Marvel Legends line as part of an exclusive Young Avengers box set. Wiccan (Billy Kaplan) **** D3 Go! Forums After looking into it, Sam Wilson found that someone with Avengers membership and passcodes had helped the Skull escape. Wiccan (Billy Kaplan) 4-Star Rarity (Legendary) Heroes, Young Avengers, Team Cap. He joined Ultron in attacking the Avengers. Unkindness has fewer feats and it took her a whole longer to destroy the multiverse. Plotinus' form of Platonic idealism is to treat the Demiurge, nous, as the contemplative faculty (ergon) within man which orders the force (dynamis) into conscious reality. Demiurge | Rose of God Wiki | Fandom Before the Vision could reveal the identity of the father, a battle erupted between Kree and Skrull forces over the fate of Hulkling. After discovering that Hulkling had been going out as a superhero without his knowledge, he and Wiccan fight over the choice to become superheroes again. The team was split up, running rescue missions, relief missions, and interference across Asgard. It is in the system of Valentinus that the name Dmiurgos is used, which occurs nowhere in Irenaeus except in connection with the Valentinian system; we may reasonably conclude that it was Valentinus who adopted from Platonism the use of this word. Nebro creates six angels in addition to the angel Saklas to be his assistants. There is nothing that suggests that he is universal. Billy Kaplan is a Young Avenger and later found out that he and Speed are the Scarlet Witch's formerly dead twin sons. [28], Opinions on the devil, and his relationship to the Demiurge, varied. The user is able to perform/cast a rare variety of magic spells and feats that manipulates reality itself to various degrees. Loki tells them that they need his help in order to destroy the parasite, and they agree. No she's above Hectate the goddesses of magic in the multiverse . Billy Kaplan never had a problem being different than other people. @j2111: Hi may I ask where you got these 4th and 5th scans from? Humiliated and defeated, Osborn ordered the remaining members of his team to stand down, simply stating to the YA that, "This never happened." Wiccan's primary team is the Young Avengers, so any given volume of Young Avengers will feature him heavily. Billy did not take Scarlet Witch's advice. In a fight with Doctor Doom, both Cassie and Vision are killed. Read the scan I posted above. I get how powerful wiccan is i really do but LMAO WHAT THE HELL IS HOMEBOI DOING TO THE UNKINDNESS, @yungbaby: Shes the ultimate villain of the DC multiverse, it happened during the future state event. @killianduclark: Thats not even remotely debunking anything. So am I supposed to repeat the same thing over and over again, too? While Billy agrees to be tested, the Young Avengers help his to escape from Avengers Tower. When Wiccan and Hulkling wake up the next morning, they discover to their horror that Hulkling's mother is not what she appears to be, but is actually an inter-dimensional parasite, who has taken control of Wiccan's parents. Wiccan, Speed, and Hulkling team up with Xavin and the Runaways to defeat the Super-Skrulls that are sent to assassinate Hulkling. Here, at the summit of this system, the Source and Demiurge (material realm) coexist via the process of henosis. One Gnostic mythos describes the declination of aspects of the divine into human form. Wiccan can rewrite the rules of magic across all realities. They are rescued by Noh-Varr and Kate Bishop, and the team flees to Central Park in order to avoid bringing too many people into the spell. She returned to her own team, and swore revenge on the Young Avengers. The performance might range from a nudge to a certain existential state or outcome, to modified every reality in existence. Billy met Iron Lad at the Avengers Mansion while seeking Scarlet Witch. The is no utopia parallel. Wiccan, Speed, and Hulkling team up with Xavin and the Runaways to defeat the Super-Skrulls that are sent to assassinate Hulkling. But what he (demiurge) showed or said is less than what raven did in the future state (destroyed: the new genesis, speed force wall, hell). At the close of the series, Billy and Tommy are seemingly cease to exist after Wanda undoes her spell and frees Westview from her control, but the post-credits scene has Wanda hearing the boys calling to her, implying they somehow survived. He briefly achieves this form, and is able to view the past, present and future, as well as freely alter the universe. It is eventually revealed by Agatha Harkness that Billy and Tommy were subconsciously created by Wanda through the use of Chaos Magic, and cannot exist outside of Westview. Hence that did contradict it. Wiccan and Hulkling are thrown into a prison outside their dimension, but are rescued by Loki. 257, 382). Of note here is that while Plotinus' student Porphyry names Christianity specifically in Porphyry's own works, and Plotinus is to have been a known associate of the Christian Origen, none of Plotinus' works mention Christ or Christianitywhereas Plotinus specifically addresses his target in the Enneads as the Gnostics.
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