I just bought one of these in the pistol version Friday afternoon. I also own a Springfield xdm .45 match grade with a 5.25in barrel. It's stupid easy to do and saves a ton of money. You might find a smaller company in your area that has a good deal. Feels good. Surprisingly despite my rather diverse collection I have yet to get my hands on one. I added some things to it nothing great. Your discussions, feedback and comments are welcome here as long as they are relevant and insightful. Gray, we may end up taking a lot of lessons from the Jewish settlers as Christians and Christian values come under more and more attack from the left. The problem was me. The password should contain at least 8 characters with at least one number or special character. Copyright @2023 TigerDroppings.com. Both guns have a flat top receiver and both come with a standard military-style front sight, however, the Ruger front sight has horizontal serrations on the back, and it made the sight (picture) really stand out for some reason, and both have a fold-down, pop-up rear sight. gear. Type your email address and well send Brand: Springfield. Springfield Saint Rifle 10 RD 5.56 16" Picatinny Gas Block (Save up to 13%) Price $893.83. One of the biggest standouts is the BCM . Its an AR-15 made by someone else. On a whim I bought a Saint pistol in .300 blk out. Feels great, looks fantastic (i have the earth tone and love it), has a really nice crisp trigger for stock, and its never malfunctioned. Find systems, replacement filters, parts and more here. But I took it tot he range and took it easy- Sighted in my red dot and and took single shots. JWR is a journalist, technical writer, and novelist. When the L Stal asked Nancy why she was such an a obstructionist in getting legislation passed, she turned it around and blamed the republicans for being the obstructionists and causing all the trouble and problems. Is free float preferable? Years ago, uncle Sam showed me how to shoot first an M1, then the M14, then the AR, but because of the shortage, Ive gone from a .30 to a 223/556, then to a .22 [rimfire]. Upon getting it home I found it to be steel case. Okay, theyre nothing high-rev, but theyre there. In my opinion, regardless of who is seated as the next U.S. president, we will see a sharp uptick in violence and an even more severe gun, magazine, and ammunition shortage, all over the country. The barrel features a Melonite finish for corrosion resistance and durability. Worlds better than a stock USGI. Barrel is Chromemoly Vanadium, Melonite coated inside and out, 1:8 twist and a NATO chamber. Its a possibility now days; of course, the blame will be placed on Global Warming. I wouldn't limit myself to just those two. I wouldn't go with either option. Hell no it's not and the saint is no different. If you have access to a firing range with guns for rent, I would definitely recommend shooting as many as you can to get a feel for what you like. The furniture on the gun is from BCM and includes its 6-position stock and pistol grip. Hmm, this must be how Biden is calling for America United to be united. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! However, my biases might have come through in this piece, and I liked one a little bit more than the other but no matter what it is a personal preference, and you have to make up your own mind as to which gun is better for you. The Ruger has a skinny, polymer handguard, and standard M4 telescoping stock. 1st time AR-15 owner. The Handguard is free-floating for accuracy and the slim, 15 length provides enhanced ergonomics and support. Springfield also fitted an F height front . The furniture, as already mentioned is completely different on these guns. Bought it when it first came out. Alternatively, type (Glock .40 review) and see what comes up. The .300 BLK has a pistol-length system and the 5.56 is carbine-length. Great review overall. It had a few extras like an adjustable trigger for that price. All comments are held for moderation and will appear after approval. It worksso no complaints in that department. While the Saint is chambered for the 5.56mm round, it will also accept .223 Remington (like all other 5.56mm rifles). Now on my soapbox, what happened at the capitol was wrong and has given the democratic commies more ammo to go after everyone else. Ruger barrel - 1:8 twist. [ my bias here; at this late date, I would recommend getting something that fires 7.6239 even if only an outrageously expensive, worn out SKS although AKs seem to be available, but insanely expensive. If I buy the saint victor 300 blackout, can I change the entire upper to 556? The two most easily spotted differences between the original AR-556 and the MPR are barrel length and the handguard. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. If you want to improve the trigger further and help your accuracy, then check out what we think are the Best Drop-in AR-15 Triggers. This is an excellent article Pat and your advice is on target. Furniture on the Saint is from Bravo Company, another good choice (very popular and highly recommended in the aftermarket). It's a very accurate rifle, has run 100% and is a great way to ease into the addiction. The last thing I want to do is save up for a gun just to spend money on a gunsmiththat is certainly not a problem here. When the Saint hit the stores I could not wait to get my hands on I own some Springfield firearms and was excited but because they had not put out such a firearm I decided to wait for a year and see the reviews and until today 2018 February 14th I heard it's still a piece of junk I live here in Nevada where you can shoot before you buy and found it few of the stores do not even allow you to shoot the saint and when I finally did it did exactly what everyone said it jammed every 15 rounds I always see these massive reviews about junk Glocks the junk vp9 and now the junk saint I believe that the people riding these reviews are either being paid by the big companies or have never actually done any real hands on reviews of the Firearms they're talking about going out to the range and shoot in your 10-round magazine does not make it an excellent or superb or reliable firearm so once again do yourself a favor drop a Sig and let me know how it goes. Springfield been in more wars and gun made and won civilwar with a Springfield ha true best out there ask.ml fans, Bs saintsbeter then dd all day lone look at finsh both millspec saints build better 2000 for dd ha a joke saint is better geeenmoutain make s colt bcm bbr to button shoots twice as good as dd check witch is weak whem.made go saint up against the biggest out there and beats most as well. From my own personal observation guns and ammo are very scarce right now. I have the Saint Victor & The Saint pistol 9.5 Get a lower, parts kit, fixed stock, upper you want and featureless grip. These just felt so good in my hands and shot so accurately, I just had to get a set! With both guns, all groups were right around 1.5-inches again, at 50-yards, with iron sightsI think with more practice, I could shrink those groups down a bit more. This was my first personal ar-15. Personalize your experience. I have friends that have them and love them! Hours of review videos later, I found myself with a lengthy internet history and some positive assurance about the Saint. Best at u buy for 1000 it beats a dd 2000 gun all day long put them side be side u see a colti g type lll vs run of mill blues saint is a bcm no diff better dd most ars out there. towards your level. Not a sporting arms company. Weve got a dedicated section for the AR-15 here. I was more than a little surprised at this, I was sure the Springfield would turn out to be a little more accurate because of the great trigger pull. Right now, AR-15 styles of rifles are difficult to come by, because of all the violence in the USA everyone wants the best of the best, to defend themselves, their loved ones, and their homes from this violence. Neither pistol grip was better than the other. That's what General Custer's troops said after their defeat at Little Big Horn because they were armed wirh trapdoor Springfield rifles and colt .45's and they were finished with Springfield. We'll send you the latest guides and training tips geared Springfield SAINT 5.56mm AR-15 Rifle with B5 Furniture (10-Round Model) $995.00 $899.99. Already looking to purchase my first AR-15, I did what any gun lover on a budget would do: Research. Watch the video above to see me in action. Using comparable ammo from the same distances, the Saint had better groupings. Nice ar, wished it worked out of the box like my 3 other ars. It will bring up his Glock reviews. If it doesnt feed reliability, it can be fixed, improved later. The heat plate inside the barrel grip smoked a little after the first 30 shots so I took it a little slower- I am sure it was just the newness burning off and the heat plate getting "seasoned". Any help is appreciated. Also price. I try not to get political in my articles if I can avoid itbut in this case, you, our valued readers, had better heed my advice, and if you want an AR, get one now if you can find one. Notify Me When Available. Something the wife likes! The mob breaking into the Capitol, is going to be used to justify an assault rifle ban. The 16 barrel is a 1:8 twist M4 profile unit that features a mid-length gas system, a bit of an oddity when we are talking sub-thousand dollar ARs. Took it to the range Sunday. 03-28-2022, 08:38 AM #2 BuckyTownsend Senior Member Join Date Jan 2017 Posts 2,013 save your money, do the research, and then assemble what you want from individual components. So I just switch her over and take my time and safe money. Ill dig more now and sure appreciate your help. I always recommend setting aside some of that ammo for training. and polished trigger itll probably cost you another 75 bucks. The Ruger AR-556 has a cold hammer-forged barrel that a Sport II does not have. you a link to reset your password. The trigger weight was perfect too- I actually like it better than my S&W shield weight- I am sure that is comparing apples to oranges but it is how I feel pulling the tigger. Spend the rest on ammo, sling, training and optic. Again, the particular models are the Ruger AR-556 and the Springfield Armory Saint AR. 5,500 round and have had one failure to extract. While chambered in 5.56 NATO, the Springfield Armory Saint Edge PDW has but a 5.5-inch barrel. No there isn't; people overplay free floating way too much. Moyie Springs, Idaho 83845. The Ruger has a skinny, polymer handguard, and standard M4 telescoping stock. As a country we are going in the wrong direction. Dictators throughout history have killed large numbers of people, they didnt want around, by intentionally causing massive starvation. To Charles K ..I stocked up on steel case 9mm during obama yearsI have shot it in glocks M &Ps,hi powers,uzi, signever a problem at all with any..some say not good for the gunsbut now there is no choice and I am glad to have it way better than nothing. This doesnt mean that all things on the Springfield Saint are absolutely stops-out top of the line. But that will give you a good indication of the price . The trigger pull on the Springfield is much lighter and crisp as well, but very smooth thanks to the coating Springfield applies to the trigger group. I didnt see much sense in sending more hard to get, and expensive .223 ammo downrange for this side-by-side test article. The SAINT also features a heavy buffer to keep the recoil to a minimum. I'd like to give my first impressions. It has a 16-inch, 4150 chrome-moly steel barrel with a 1:24"inch twist, that has been FNC treated for maximum durability and longevity. No Comments on Springfield Saint vs Ruger AR-556 vs S&W M&P15 Sport II Unboxing the James River Armory M14 WATCH: Idiot Tries to Rob Car Spa with Slide Locked Back by KIMBER PEARCE Leave a Reply For example, a regular length charging handle will not fit in my Saint. Right now in my life it just makes more sense to buy a complete one. When it came to the Ruger, I like that it is a basic no-frills AR carbine, and it felt great in my hands, and when I shouldered it. The 16-inch Chrome Moly Vanadium barrel features a 1:8 twist rate to handle a wide range of bullet types. Ruger AR-556 300 Blackout 8572. vs. Palmetto State Armory 7.5" Pistol-Length 300 Blackout 5165447855. Ive probably put about 100 rounds through it. That is a recommended consideration. Answer (1 of 6): Springfield doesn't make an AR. DB15, Smith and Wesson, Ruger 556, have seen Sig Treads at $850. The Springfield loved the heavier 69-gr Matchking round, and I got a group just a tad under an inch and a half without too much trouble. I am interested in purchasing a Glock in 40 caliber. Both guns came with a MagPul PMag 30-round magazine, and I believe these are the best of the best when it comes to AR magazines period! Press J to jump to the feed. Further, and always near the top of my list for a carbine build, is an H-weight tungsten buffer that comes standard on a Saint. Have to admit, it I had the funds, I would love to try the Saint. Having goats and chickens we attract lots of predators. Saints come with sights! A good article, especially for the people who arent into the ar shooting platform but are looking to get into one ( or two ). It was expensive but I received it next day. Heck it even came with a hard case. Look to http://www.gunbroker.com or http://www.armslist.com for expensive but available ammunition. I do know the Ruger is good. After five rounds I gave up. I took it out and fired it in a Glock 19, Glock 22 with a 9mm conversion barrel and a Beretta 96 with a 92 conversion barrel. Liked mine so much I bought a second for my son! Took it home, cleaned the barrel and put 600 rounds thru it with no problems that day. The Mission of Cheaper Than Dirt! When the pins backed out it caused it to shoot full auto for the rest of the mag. Anybody own one or have any input? Thank you Wheatley. Im a Marine infantry combat vet. The new Ruger AR556 MPR has a laundry list of nice features on a weapon that retails in the $700s. Daniel Defense. I once was shooting my OWN reloads in a revolver. Skip to main content Skip to search. Smart and wise. Fitted to the muzzle is a Springfield Armory dual baffle muzzle brake to reduce recoil and muzzle movement. You can now buy the Free Float Handguard version, the Lightweight Edge, or Pistol with SB Tactical Brace and 7.5 barrel! Base models of the Saint include a slim profile Bravo Company M-Lok handguard, BCM Gunfighter Mod 3 grip, BCM Gunfighter Mod 0 stock and a Nickle Boron coated G.I Trigger with a smooth, grit free pull. Id personally go with the Ruger. So, I didnt want to waste too much ammo for this article. It works. None at all- The gun sighted in quickly and was super accurate. Id also be looking over it and making notes on what I had to replace to get it up to speed and then out to the range. Weve built dozens of ARs and well cover all the best AR-15 upgrades such as handguards, triggers, BCGs, gas blocks, and more. My only gripe about both of these so far is the lack of ambi controls(I am a lefty) but I don't think that it will be too much of an issue. [And yes, it was a potentially dangerous accident.]. With Springfield armory you might pay more but you get quality. Without factoring in their prices, we have to get into the nitty-gritty to differentiate these carbines. When I think now of really good AR-15s, my first thought goes to Springfield Armory. It does you no good to be sitting on 5,000 rounds of 5.56mm and not have the training on how to use it effectively. For the price of each of them and the quality of parts and reliability all considered. While its not quite Pelican level, it is certainly better than a cheap Plano, and definitely better than getting a gun in a cardboard box. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. I cant honestly say, when it came to accuracy, one gun was better at it than the other, and I was shooting premium .223 ammo in both guns. Springfield Armory. Our mail forwarding address is: James Wesley, Rawles Learn all the important stuff about handgunswith none of the attitude. Let me add that loading the PMAG that came with the gun felt loose and not that solid but when I loaded the 2nd purchased POMAG it felt much better. I love it too! The Saint Edge ticked the boxes. Welcome to the forum, shame your first post has to be a problem with the Saint. Parts are straight off the recommended list, as Saint uses an M16-profile USGI-spec bolt carrier group with a select Carpenter 158 bolt. If you havent got about 100 hours of coached time in during the past two years, I suggest getting a .22 caliber pistol and working with shooting techniques under a good coach. You may know Springfield from their famed M1A rifles and 1911s both good signs of a quality arms company. Is it necessary? The Springfield Saint is probably one of the better entry-level, budget-friendly AR-15s available on the market at the moment. In the end, a person will usually like one firearm over another, and probably for no solid reason just a personal bias. It is obvious to most, that the politicians have tied the hands of the police, and most police officers are pretty much a target for AntiFa and Black Lives Matter. Trigger, grip, and stock ($150+$25+$50) is more than $200 of add-ons to begin with. Find the best options for the range and home defense in our Best AR-15 Ammo review! Absolutely no way I would trust my life to this weapon. Thanks for another great article Mr. Cascio. Recently purchased the SA Saint AR-15 and was finally able to take it out today. Havent used the Saint yet but Ive been drooling over it ever since I saw it. It took me awhile to figure out why it wasnt fitting, but I discovered that the channel on the inside of the top of the upper reciever, that the charging handle goes into, is shorter than standard by just enough the Milspec charging handle wont fit. The SIG SUER M400 TREAD with its smooth M-LOK handguard is a solid performer that won't break the bank. An AR is an AR is an AR in my opinion. Reason I'm discouraging you from these options is that both are the drop-in handguards on both. Armalite: M-15 A4. The Saint also has a muzzle break, and comes in a nice case. Ruger MPR vs Springfield Saint Victor ? Sgt. The rifle just seems to balance well in my hands and the pistol, the same. I was going to go to a gun show in the next week or so but have decide not to go. Make sure all the preps are in place. I didnt expect any and didnt have any problems and the barrels on both guns were very hot after 90 rounds down range. By this time, I assume most preppers already have what they need. I've been thinking about getting an AR for while, but I finally have the funds to responsibly get one. When I bought the gun I also purchased two extra PMAG-30 and a PMAG-40. Reloads can be loaded by anyone. Ruger. Took weeks to get it back. Its kinda like the scenario we all read about and dreadthe only person in the neighborhood with some food.
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